Stargrove Video - Episode 8 - Out Of Bounds (1986), stuck on VHS, Tubi, and Crystal the Cashier.

0:01 Man's deepest fear has risen again. This time it's personal. I want Stargrove Video! Hello, welcome to Stargrove Video. I'm Jack. I don't know if you know me or not, but I'm Jack and I'm here to welcome you to the store, and I want to, um, introduce you to the staff that are here tonight. Later we're doing Out of Bounds. That's the, uh, Anthony Michael Hall joint from like '85, '86, and that's going to be Brandon's choice.

0:44 And, um, that's a movie that's stuck on VHS, so I figured what better way to, uh, introduce the guys to you by asking them what other movie that's stuck on VHS are they a fan of? So how about we start with, uh, I think, yeah, we'll go over here to Brandon first. He's— he doesn't look like he's busy. No. Hey Brandon! Yeah, what's up? Yo, say hello! Oh, oh, hi! You didn't see— you didn't see them there? No, I did not. I did not see you there. So we're doing a thing tonight, uh, Out of Bounds. It's, uh, movie that's stuck on VHS. Is there a stuck-on-VHS movie that you like or would like to see an upgrade to Blu-ray or something like that? Oh yeah, um, I, I'm still shocked that Out of Bounds doesn't have one, but, um, another movie that I frequently think of as being stuck on VHS but kind of deserves at least like a DVD is Blood Frenzy. Blood Frenzy, that's a damn good— you know what, that movie has the most miserable group of friends. They're all out in the desert and all they do is complain about being in the fucking desert.

2:05 Yeah, like, why are you there, right? I absolutely love Blood Frenzy. It's, it's one of, uh, it's It's a terrible movie. And, and didn't like, uh, the jack-in-the-box— isn't that what flipped— made the person, the killer, uh, lose their shit? Yeah, it's just because they had a jack-in-the-box and somebody said, how did you get that expensive toy? And they killed their dad because of it. Yeah. And then it's kind of like falls in line with Pieces, right? Yeah, yeah. Like, let's, let's flip out over something small. Yeah, let's do that. Um, that's, that's an awesome pick. Yeah. And it's got, uh, what's her name in it? Wednesday. Uh, Wednesday. Uh, Lisa Loring from— yeah, from Addams Family. And Iced.

2:53 And I— dude, Iced absolutely trumps, uh, Blood Frenzy. You know, I, I used to think that Blood Frenzy and Iced were made by the same people. They may be produced by the same people, but that's a damn good pick. We'll get back to work. If you told me that Blood Frenzy was produced by some porn director, I'd probably believe you too. Yeah, that— I don't think Wednesday gets her boobs out again in that because she didn't, probably, if I remember right. It's been a while since I watched it. Ice was a porn direction, that's for sure. Um, but yeah, get back to work, goddamn it. We got shit to do here. Oh yeah, we got the, uh, the other guy over here, Michael. Hey, what's up? What's— what, uh, there's a VHS, uh, thing theme tonight, so is there a movie that's stuck on VHS that occult mysteries you would like to see upgraded to Blu-ray? It just so happens there is.

3:50 Oh, I can, I can remember years ago, I don't even know what channel I saw it on, but I was flipping channels one night and I came across this TV movie called UFO Abduction, which some of you may know as the McPherson Tape. I don't know if you guys are familiar with that. I am. Yeah, you might be. Vinegar Syndrome released the Blu-ray. But after that, because of its semi-popularity, the guys that made that decided to remake it. They remade it in 1988, and it was called— I'm sorry, 1990— and it was called Alien Abduction: Incident in Lake County, which is just as creepy, if not creepier. And that one I also remember seeing on TV, and I absolutely loved it, and it's been MIA ever since. I thought the release of the McPherson Tape on Blu-ray would kind of, you know, jar something loose and this would come out too, but it never did. That's surprising. Yeah, because the McPherson Tape, that, that slipcover sold out. Oh yeah, it sold out quick. Yeah, but the remake, I don't know what's going on with that, but that's just as good if not better. And it just kind of— it's just— yeah, it's just stuck on VHS. I've never seen that one. I mean, McPherson Tape was That was a lot of fun. Yeah, it was a really good movie. Wow. All right, well, there you have it.

5:06 And Michael, say hello to this shit. What's up, this shit here? Hello. All right, thanks. Uh, so now we're gonna go over to Dave. David? David? What? What? Hey, um, So we're doing a Stuck on VHS theme tonight, uh, at the store. We're watching Out of Bounds tonight. And, uh, first off, say hello to this motherfucker. Hello, motherfucker. That was very pleasant. Um, so is there a VHS movie that's stuck on VHS that you love or want to see as an upgrade or something that you might like? Well, first, first thing, when I, when I looked, tried to look up like what was still stuck on VHS and everything, uh, this doesn't count as a movie, but, uh, the Star Wars Holiday Special has never been released in any physical format whatsoever. Uh, so you can get it on YouTube, but, uh, you know, it has been— Life Day has been acknowledged by, uh, you know, in multiple other, uh, Star Wars canons, so It exists, but yeah, I, uh, I do enjoy watching it even though I hated watching it at the same time.

6:25 But, um, anyway, the movie I actually— I discovered was not available anywhere, and I remember watching it. Uh, I, I don't think I watched it in theaters, but I, I definitely watched it on VHS, and I think I watched it on like Cinemax or HBO or something like that. And it's, uh, Masterminds with Patrick Stewart, uh, and Vincent Kartheiser. If you remember that movie, it was like right around when Conspiracy Theory came out and Patrick Stewart was trying to do the whole like, I'm gonna be a bad guy. I remember that moment, but I don't remember this movie. This is a movie where he's like basically a rogue security consultant and he's taken a private school hostage. I realize this is the second recommendation I'm making on private school hostage scenarios, but like Toy Soldiers, we all got like— it's It's not a great movie. It's, it's, it's a, it's a, it's bad. Like Toy Soldiers is— I enjoy Toy Soldiers because I think it's a good movie, uh, for what it is. But this is like— I like how over-the-top Patrick Stewart is in this, um, because you don't see that very much from him, right? Um, and, and Vincent Kartheiser is good enough, you know?

7:31 Like this is like right, right around the Angel, um, wait, is it right around the Angel time? Like, I don't even know if my timing off. I'm a couple years early on that. Um, yeah, so, but either way, it's just, it's just a solid, uh, like stupid, like, basically, yeah, just a stupid like hostage scenario, but this teen hacker, you know, is essentially outwitting. I just remember enjoying it, and I, I'd like to see it in an upgraded format at least, just because of, you know, mainly Patrick Stewart. That's the primary reason you'd want to— I'd want to see that, uh, see that again. All right, fantastic. I, I, yeah, I, I, I'm completely clueless there, so thank you for picking something I have never fucking heard of in my life.

8:18 I have to find out where the fuck Nick is. Um, have you got— Dave, have you seen Nick around? I saw him. There was— I saw him go inside a back room. And then he came back out, and then I— he said some words to me, but he was at a distance and I didn't hear him. So, okay, I heard, and that's all I heard. Well, oh yeah, well, you don't speak Nick. I do. Um, I know what that means. Um, I'll go get him in a moment. Um, but yeah, um, just to let you know, I, I haven't given a pick yet myself. Um, my pick is, uh, Blood Beach, which is, uh, absolutely terrible, god-awful movie, but I love it. It's got John Saxon, Burt Young, and yeah, everybody in it is, uh, fun. And it's a very, very, uh, very Wildwood-ish type of movie. Um, so I think I hear Nick now. There he is. Hang on a second, let me go get him. Nick? Yeah, terrifying nightmare of childhood returns. What do you got? Is this a meeting?

9:29 No, it's not a meeting. I'm introducing— say hello to the people. Yeah. Hello. What do you want? I want you to say hello to them. Yeah. All right. Hi. Hi. Hi. What you got there? What are you playing? This is a— it's a cell phone. It's playing games on it. You know, is that Castlevania? Yeah, they put out Castlevania for free, so I'm playing that. What do you want? Do you know of a movie that's stuck on VHS that you want to see come out in VHS, like tapes? Yeah, like tapes, you know, the things that you gotta, you know, put in a VCR. And then are you gonna start carrying VHS here? Because that's just like a dirty bad idea to have a video store. Yeah, I'm aware, I'm aware. Um, but yeah, we're gonna have like a small section of like collector's tapes and stuff. But, um, but tonight we're doing Out of Bounds, which is stuck on VHS, and that's That's what brought up the idea of talking about that tonight. Yeah, I can't recommend it. Oh, VHS? Well, I mean, do you own VCR?

10:50 I do. I'm just not really understanding the conversation that we're having. You're saying that there's a VCR, you're going to start renting tapes? No. People who also have VCRs? No, no. I mean, they have to have a VCR in order to watch them, but a lot of people just collect them and put them on a shelf as like a relic. In a sense. Um, and the hardest part about Castlevania is going up and down stairs. It's real hard. It's still hard even now. That's true. Doesn't, doesn't the theme song from that sound like Chopping Mall to you? Uh, I get— I— the main theme? Sure, sure. Yeah, yeah, that on VHS. Chopping Mall?

11:31 Yes, it is. It was. No, wait, no, no, Chopping Mall is on, on Blu-ray. Yeah, they, they, uh, they put that on the Vestron line. Ah, yeah. All right, so I can't really, uh, I, I don't, I don't own a VCR or whatever, so, uh, have you ever owned a VCR? Uh, like 30 years ago, Jack. 30 years ago? Yeah. All right, let's get in the Star Wars time machine. Sure, man. The time machine. Oh my God, going back to the well, going back to the well. Nick, Nick, uh, hasn't had a VCR in 30 years. When's the last time you had a VCR? Um, I think I still have one, it's just in a box. But the last time I used one, maybe 5 years ago, because I, uh, digitized old, uh, like, you know, old short films I made in high school and stuff.

12:30 So I still have one technically, I just I just haven't, haven't used it. Oh, we're gonna have a screening of that one night. No, we're not. Oh yes, we are. We had to screen my movies. You, you made me. These are things I made in high school. Like, no difference. Okay, there is, there is. I have a question. Is this a meeting? Yeah, it's a meeting. It's a meeting about this. Step into my office. Yeah, step into my orifice. Yeah, why? Because you're fucking fired. No. Has anybody else here used VCR recently at all, or no? Recently, no. I still have mine, but it's kind of like I can't bring myself to get rid of it, so it's just kind of in the closet. I'm in the same boat.

13:13 How about you, Brandon? Um, I have a VCR in my office at home. That's right, you have Betamax and shit. Yeah, I have Beta and LaserDisc. I used to have a 16mm projector. That's cool. I had like 2, 2 movie— 2 movies that I got for free with it. Somebody was giving it away on Craigslist. I'm like, sure, does it work? Yeah, I got a PlayStation 5, an Xbox, and, uh, Xbox, uh, 360, 2 of them. And all those aboard are better off. That's so— yeah, yeah, the thing is that like I don't know what it is about VHS, the fascination with it.

13:56 Like, people are— and that's fine, you know, like what you like. But I even know, like, you know, Tarantino and Avery, they have their own podcast called The Video Archives where they bought the video store that they used to work at, like the entire collection, and they watch the movies on VHS. And I'm like, video store podcast. Yeah, yeah, an actual— yeah, but like, they know they, they watch it in their house and just like screen movies on VHS. And it's fucking odd because Tarantino is one of these people that's like, support 35mm, support 70mm, and for some reason he watches VHS movies and thinks it's a superior format over Blu-ray.

14:45 I don't understand. I don't get it either. I mean, I'm nostalgic for a lot of things, but shitty picture quality sure ain't one of them. Yeah, I would say shitty picture quality, like the, the tracking, like the tracking lines is not something I, I long for. Yeah, me neither. What I want to watch, like fighting with those was not fun. And then like when you realize that the copy you're watching has gone through its, uh, 10-year cycle and it started to degrade in quality, so Any, any potential like color grading that they put into that movie is now gone and it's now just dark, dark and like possibly blown out. Yeah. Whenever you rent, whenever you rent one that had nudity in it, it always got especially shitty around the nudity scene because it's been paused so many damn times. Yeah.

15:31 Especially Fast Times at Ridgemont High. The Phoebe. Oh, yeah, exactly. Yeah, that was a big one. There was that. Yeah, one of the biggest— Prom Night was a big one, uh, at my video store. Whenever I rented that, the part where the girl shows her ass to the janitor guy was, was fuzzy as well. I mean, anytime there was nudity in it, her ass was fuzzy. I mean, that's how it is with film prints when they, when they play an old film print and it's like, you know, you get an older crappy quality. It's always like Sometimes it's at the reel change, but sometimes it's also like at a spot that, you know, people watch this a lot, so it has a lot more damage on it. Right, right. Yeah, it's, it's, ah, it's so— I don't get it. Yeah, I mean, I, I still have some VHS stuff. I have some stuff, but not like— I'm not gonna have it here really. It's just gonna be like a small little section, uh, because I think, you know, Blu-ray is obviously in 4K or top tier as far as, uh, watching the movie. It's the way it's meant to be seen. But, um, yeah, I sold all of my old ones once I saw what the people were willing to pay for them. Oh yeah. Oh, you sold all your— I sold every single one of them I had. Um, I had the— the one I held on to was the Meta VHS of Halloween, which was the very first release, and I was gonna keep that one just because of the history behind it, but I literally had someone offer me a grand for it, so I was like, take it. It's all yours, man. Like, that's where people are

17:02 nowadays. And you know what, look, people can collect whatever they want. Whatever puts a smile on your face, that's fine. Of course. But me personally, I, I don't know. I don't get— especially when it's the 20-somethings. Like, it's, it's obviously not nostalgia for them. So yeah, I don't know what it is. Maybe it's— maybe it's for them. It's like they're trying to— I, I don't identify. Maybe. I don't know. It could be. I mean, I see a lot of people, they use them as bragging rights. Like, you know, right, showing off what I have and what you don't and, you know, whatever. Yeah, it's just not my thing. I like— there's so many other pieces of movie history and memorabilia that I would rather have. Exactly. Like, um, oh man, what was it? Um, what was his name? Uh, Winston. Uh, the, the, the visual effects guy that passed away. Stan Winston. Stan Winston. Yeah, up here in like, uh, up here in like Berkeley, uh, where I'm at. Here where I'm at. And I was like, apparently the line was out the door, but like some of the stuff on it was like pretty— for some really cool shit. So it's just like, I can only imagine what was there that I would go, you know, like I'd want to get something out of. But like, no, definitely not. Um, like my one friend did actually have— get a VHS recently because he found some Fox executive died and they, um, they had a, uh, an early cut of like a Simpsons episode.

18:22 Episode. And it was like, okay, that's pretty cool. Like, that's pretty rare that you'd have that. It's still— he digitized it, so it works pretty well. But it was like, it was just like a very surprising, like, one of those insider cut things. I can imagine— I can see having that because it's exceedingly rare. There's probably nothing in circulation. When it's stuff that's only available on VHS, well then, yeah, I obviously— I get it. I think I actually only own one VHS, and Of course, it was something I bought on DVD later anyway, but it's the, uh, Halloween 6, uh, original producer's cut or whatever that has like, you know, all the, the cult stuff. Like, was that like a convention bootleg? Yeah, exactly, exactly. But then I got it on DVD as also as a, uh, convention bootleg at some point. But, and I have no idea where this is, it's out in a shed somewhere or something. But same thing, I'd be like, yeah, I don't want to get rid of that, look how cool this thing is, you know. But have I watched it in 30 years or 20 years or whatever the fuck I said?

19:24 No. Yeah, now we have the producer's cut in 4K. Would I be able to find a VCR on this planet? I don't, I don't know. You can, you can pawn shops. Are they still being manufactured? Like, or is what's out there what's out there and they're not making any ever again? What's out there is what's out there. Like, like, okay. I got a VCR that was built in 1985 off Facebook Marketplace for $10 and it was barely used. Wow. Yeah, so that's— yeah, I remember my first VCR was a top loader. I still remember that thing. Same here. You had to like, to set up the recording, there was like, um, all these dials to set up a timed recording where it was like a plastic little dial that goes, okay, this is the this hour mark. This is this— oh God, yeah, when I was a kid I remember trying to figure that out and it was impossible. Yeah, yeah, I always had to have my dad tape stuff.

20:23 Exactly. Yeah, my dad had to show me how to do it. Yeah, yeah. So I did look on Amazon just to see if there are actual VCR players because, you know, sometimes there are old analog devices that like some company in Thailand is still making. Yeah, that's what I was wondering because that looks like— yeah, it looks like not at all. It looks like it's all used actual old stuff going for hundreds of dollars. Oh my God. Yeah, you know, it's, it's fucking wild. Yeah, some of the VHS movies are more expensive than a brand new 4K. Yeah. Ah, some of the prices of those tapes are absolutely insane. It's astronomical. Yeah. And, you know, and it fluctuates. It's gonna go— it'll go down eventually, and then— oh, sure it will. Yeah. And then, I mean, the prices on DVDs and Blu-rays are skyrocketing right now. Is that— yeah, that's what you're gonna see next is like, it's already starting now with people collecting old Anchor Bay DVD releases. It's already starting. I have an HD DVD player. Does anybody want that? No, I had— oh man, I remember them. I had one for a couple weeks and I sold it. I have that and like, I think I've gotten rid of most of the, of the DVDs other than the first season of Star Trek because I think I got like the Canadian version for like $10.

21:36 I can still remember waiting to see who would win that format war before I committed, because I was gonna pick the wrong one if I didn't wait every time. Oh, I, I, I got it when it was like $100 at, uh, at Walmart. They were like, we're offering this for $100, and I was like, you know what, fuck it. Isn't it the porn industry that this— they did, and they picked, uh, they picked HD DVD, but the problem was that they scratched so easily. That was— they were not reliable. Isn't it always the porn industry that decides who won the format wars? It used to be VHS and Beta. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The— some of the re— that was some of the reason Beta lost that, and the fact that, um, Sony was so against like letting other companies create the tapes at the time.

22:22 Yeah. And by the time they let other companies— better quality. Yeah, yeah. By the time that they let other companies do it, it already lost. I thought— well, I know Blu-ray won because PlayStation had a Blu-ray in it, was a Blu-ray player. That's why Blu-ray won. I mean, that's partially why DVD took off, is because PlayStation 2 was a DVD player. Exactly. Yeah, my thing, you know, I, I went— yeah, when Blu-ray and, uh, as you said, Mike, Michael, the, uh When Blu-ray and HD DVD, you, you waited. I waited too because I was the one that was going, oh yeah, I'll get that HD. And then I said, I was like, if I get the HD DVD, that's the one that's gonna fail. I'm sure. Exactly. Yeah, I did the same thing.

23:07 Yeah, I mean, there's no way I was committing. The best part though was that I was able to convert most of them to Blu-ray. They were off— most of the, the studios were offering that, so I was able to convert the majority of them. 2, uh, it was like, it was like I spent, you know, maybe $10 or $10, $5 or $10 apiece, and they come and they sent me Blu-rays. So that's why I never could do that. It was the only one I didn't have because I still have because it was the only one I didn't convert. I, I said to myself, I'm not gonna upgrade to 4K like a while back. I'm like, nah, fuck that, I'm just gonna stay, I'm just gonna stay with Blu-ray. And then sure enough, goddamn it. I got that. I said that too. I lasted about 5 minutes. Yeah, well, I got, I got the 4K projector, and then I'm like, well, now I gotta get the 4K player, and then I gotta get the 4K.

23:54 And I'm like, and then when I put it on some of the movies, watching, watching the, you know, fresh brand new 4K disc of it, when you see the film grain and everything from the original print that these people are work— have worked on, it's It's goddamn beautiful to look at, so I'm not turning back. I don't think 8K is gonna happen. Yeah, the good news is your eyes can't see much more than 8K. Exactly. Yeah, they can't really. Do we think 4K is it? That's the end of the line? I think so. It's no money. I think so. Yeah, yeah, they might move to 8K in like in a streaming format, but it's going to be compressed, so you're not going to get— Exactly. Yeah, yeah. I think, yeah, 4K disc. I mean, and honestly, it's, it's as beautiful as it's gonna get. And some people are complaining about 4Ks on like their YouTube videos and stuff, but it depends on how, how you have shit set up. That's, that's, that's what it always boils down to. Some people have like really good TVs and some people have shit TVs. Um, and a lot of people don't know how to calibrate their TVs properly. Yeah, there's that. Yeah, there is definitely— do you, do you guys remember, uh, what is it, when LaserDisc— well, Brandon, you obviously have a LaserDisc player. Yeah, but like there was a disc for LaserDisc that you put in and it gave you color bars and it had to adjust the sharpness. Like you had to turn the sharpness

25:25 all the way down and you had to turn the contrast up. And do you have that disc or no? I do not, but I know what you're talking about. There was a few formats I had that, um, the RCA CED had a few different discs that were like that. Yep. Yeah, it's, it's one of them things that, um, you have to calibrate in order for the laser disc to look really great on your TV. That's how it used to be. But, uh, that's not really necessary too much with 4K and Blu-ray, but it's, it's a good idea to make some adjustments on it. I, I did it with the projector I have. I actually watched a tutorial on it and did all the adjustments, and it's— the image quality is even 10 times better than what I expected.

26:11 So it's awesome. When are we putting in a 70mm in, in, uh, the screen room? Well, I'm working on that. Um, I'll probably have it in about 2 days. Probably fucking never. I, I will, I will say that like one of the, like my favorite things that I ever did is I was in Seattle for like, uh, for something and I realized there was a 70mm film festival happening at, um, what did they call it then? Um, it was the, the one that Paul Allen owned the theater. Um, it's not Cinerama, but I can't remember the exact, the exact word. Um, but They were having a 70mm festival. I got to see Tron in 70mm. It was like one of Paul Allen's, uh, personal, uh, personal prints, and it was pretty, pretty damn cool. Uh, wow.

27:00 Because it's like, I have never seen it look that good considering like the digital graphics in that movie are so dated and like bad in a certain context. It looked amazing. Like, especially the scenes in real life, like they looked so damn good. Like It's just, it's surprising how, how much like a 70mm print like can really bring into a movie that you never would have seen, that you only seen on a small screen. I watched the, uh, and it's not better than the 70mm. I watched the 4K of, uh, of Tron. I had the trilogy and it's goddamn beautiful in there, but I can, I can't even imagine how beautiful that 70mm print is. Yeah, I mean, just, just like those night scenes in the car that they're like, they always come off like a little— they like, I know they brighten them when they're doing the transfer and stuff like that, but it just, you could, the grain, you know, the amount of, the amount of noise and stuff like that just felt so, you know, it felt organic. I guess that's the best way to put it because it was that, that organic film feel that, you know, that I guess Tarantino's chasing with VHS. Yeah, I don't know. I did get to see Hateful Eight in a 70mm Uh, roadshow. I was going to see it. I went to see it and they were like, our projector broke down, so we're gonna all move you to another theater to watch this and we're gonna give you a free, uh, like a free pass to go see it later.

28:20 And I'm like, I don't got that kind of time. Like, literally, like, I had planned it with like 3 friends from college and like, we're like, oh yeah, we're gonna go see this in 70mm. And it was a big thing. And then I was like, well, this sucks. And then like the manager was talking shit about like 70mm like in front of all of us while I was like, she's like, yeah, this guy is— that's why I don't like— because the stuff breaks down. I'm like, all right, that's your problem, that's not a me problem. You know, um, beautiful woman. I feel bad about, uh, about Paul Allen. Wasn't he like killed with an axe by, um, by somebody in the '80s? Yeah, I know, it was hip to be square. Yeah.

29:00 Sorry about that. Different Paul Allen. I know, I was referring to Paul Allen, the Microsoft co-founder. I know, I'm just kidding. I saw something, speaking of weird shit, Sundance, they had 11,480 shorts submitted to them last year and they took 54. Out of those 11,000, but every single one of them people paid money for it, like for the submission fee. I guess good for them. How much is it, like $1,000? No, it's like, it's like $100 or about $100.

29:43 Yeah, depends on the, the, the competition. Different competitions cause different, uh, charge different amounts. Like a feature length is more, but yeah, they charge just for the application. And the funny thing, uh, what I, I'll tell, I'll tell a short tale. Uh, when I submitted, um, I'll just say a, uh, short or show to different festivals, I spent a lot of money on, on that, on those fees. And this one thing that I have, I can see who gets the, uh, who gets the copy and who watches the copy. Out of every single one that I submitted to, and those that watched it were 2. 2 out of all of them watched what I submitted, and Jesus, I got— what the hell was it? I got— I— both of them I got, you know, accepted to, but the other ones I'm not making an excuse. I did my research. I'm like, I'm going to find out who's watching this because I want to see if they're actually watching it. And one person wrote to me, they wrote this long-winded email and it was all AI email too. I knew it was. And I fucking called them out on it. I just wrote back and I said, you didn't watch my fucking show.

31:12 Like I could— none of this happened in my show. They never responded to me. I'm like, you Unbelievable. They responded, yeah, oh man, really, I'm really sorry that happened. I'll try to do better next time. I'll write that down. Yeah, it really sucks. I'm really sorry. There's, there's a lot, a lot of that is, uh, a lot of, uh, ones that get accepted are favoritism, or they're doing it for a reason, stuff like that. Um, well, I mean, part of, part of the reason of a lot of the— I mean, the whole film festival circuit is kind of just that, that weird element where like you have to— you can only afford so much for that. I mean, I had a friend putting out a documentary and like they were like, I have to pick and choose which ones I'm going to submit to because I can't guarantee that they're going to look at it, you know?

31:57 Right, right. Like they're not going to look at it and then I'm out, you know, $50, you know, $50 or $75 a festival. And it's like, well, which ones are going to get me the exposure that I want, right? So like They did, you know, they did like Comic-Con's festival, which got some— got them some exposure. And they did like one where, um, they had a bunch of people in town that could go see it, so they knew they could mostly sell it out. And then, and then pretty much like, I think they got one like Tuscaloosa. So, so apparently University of Alabama like loved his documentary about, you know, lightsaber fencing. So wow. Before we do the screening, do you guys want me to tell you a tale of what happened at a festival that I went to where my thing was being screened?

32:48 Sure. Nah, we're good. Well, Nick has the deciding vote, so I'm not going to do it. It's actually very interesting, Nick. It'll get you angry. Me angry? Yeah, me. Never happened. I'll tell the other guys except for you. I'll tell you the rating of how angry I am, 1 to 5, afterwards. Okay, I'll try to make this as fast as possible then since you don't want to hear it. All right, I'm not going to say the name of the festival. I'm not going to dog them, but I should though, but I'm not going to. So I submitted the show. I had 2 shows. You can watch it on YouTube if you want. Not selling my shit, but, um, there was 2 episodes, okay? And both of them are under 30 minutes apiece. So you got about maybe about 56 minutes total between the 2. And that's how I submitted it, as one full 2-episode video.

33:48 And I put in the comments and I sent it over, um, they accepted it. I was like, great, awesome. Then we got nominated for almost every category as best show, best actor, best actress, you name it, best director, blah blah blah, all that kind of shit. And I don't care, I'm like, I don't care about awards. I'm not— I just want people to see it and have a good time. That's, that's what I made that for. So we get, we get to the festival, and I wish this is bullshit, but I'm not, I'm not lying. Uh, I get there and they're like, oh yeah, yeah, welcome. Oh yeah, here, sign this, sign that. Okay, all right, you're in. All right, cool, here's your passes. All right, so this is there, this is there. And I'm like, cool. And we're in this hotel, and I'm like, Oh, um, so where's the theater? He's performing.

34:46 And they're like, theater? I'm like, yeah, the— are we watching it in the theater? Oh yeah, we're watching it in here. It's like a fucking hotel room. Not a room like with beds and shit, but like, uh, almost like a, a little banquet room. I'm like, huh, that's interesting. Okay, all right, I guess that's where we're gonna do it. Cool. Um, so I find out my slot is, uh, what is it, 9 o'clock in the morning on Saturday. And I'm like, that's like a shitty slot, but okay, I'll, I'll take it, you know, whatever. And we were— as far as capacity in here in this room, there was probably about maybe 80 chairs, and there probably about maybe 50 people at that time.

35:38 And, um, so we're all talking bullshit with the other filmmakers, blah blah blah. Then all of a sudden a guy comes over to me, he goes, oh, um, yeah, you, uh, I got a problem. I said, what's that? He goes, we don't have your show. Okay. I'm like, you— I'm sorry, you what? He goes, I don't have your— we don't have it. We can't show it. And I go, guess what? He goes, what? I said, you see this jacket? He goes, yeah. I said, I have this problem where I'm always expecting somebody to fuck me, right? So in this jacket I have a hard drive with the show. Here you go. And I handed him the hard drive.

36:25 You should have brought a gun too. No, no, trust me, trust me. I'm getting to that part. So I hand the hard drive. No, I don't have a gun, but I hand him the hard drive. He puts the hard drive into the fucking laptop, right? And then I walk away. I'm talking with the filmmakers again, and the guy comes up, he goes, hey, I got a problem. Like, okay, what's the problem now? Yeah. That file is an MP4 and it's on a Mac. Is that what you did? I said, yeah, it was a Mac hard drive. Um, it was a hard drive, but it's— I said, it's interchangeable. You can plug it in. Yeah, it's not gonna— we're Windows-based. We don't have that. I said, very well. Here's another hard drive I have, Windows-based. Here you go. I have it on there too. He goes, oh, okay. I said, if that doesn't work, I'll show you how to, how to transfer it, no problem. So he gets it. So we're talking again, then he comes over to me again. He goes, um, okay, so this is a lot longer than I expected. I said, what the fuck you talking about? He goes, well, I see that you have 2 episodes on there. We can only show one or number 2.

37:46 I'm like, well, you're not gonna understand number 2 if you show number 2 by itself. But I submitted it as an hour block, and the guy's like, yeah, but, um, sorry, we can only show one of them. So I go to my, my gang, and I'm— and they're like, I guess one. I'm like, this is fucking bullshit. I'm like, one parlays right into 2. It's almost like one full episode. Like, that's how it was, a continuation thing. I'm like, all right. I said, you know, I'm not gonna argue on whatever. So I go, okay, just go with episode 1, it's fine. He goes, okay. So they play it and does well, does gangbusters. And then everybody goes, what the fuck?

38:30 At the end of 1, they're like, where the fuck is 2? And I'm like, oh, it's— and I say out loud, oh, it's here, but they didn't, uh, schedule it enough. It didn't schedule enough time. So if you want to see 2, I'll, I'll send you guys a link, right? So we do a Q&A, blah blah blah, and everybody was asking where the fuck's 2. I'm like, it's— I got it, you know, but we— they couldn't show it. So fast forward, fast forward there, Nicky boy. There's a hostage situation. Fast forward there. Hey, you really should— you really should have brought me so I could stand behind you and look Dude, it gets worse. It gets worse. You're gonna— you're gonna— this is where I— this is where we're gonna test the grade, okay? The Nick grade. All right, here it comes. So after that show, I meet up with a friend of mine who also has a short, uh, playing there as well. And, um, he was like, man, they did you dirty. And I'm like, yeah, I know. Yeah, it's all right.

39:26 So we all went out. I actually had a nice sushi roll, like a— like a burrito sushi roll out. Outside of the, uh, hotel. It was delicious. But anyway, we get back, we all get back in, and now the fucking hotel is mobbed. There's like tons of people in there, and we're watching all these other shorts and shows and TV shows and cable shows, and some of them are really great and a lot of them are utter shit, you know, as to be expected. And Here it comes. All right, so they show all of them and then all of a sudden they go, it's time for the Q&A, but for some reason we have an extra 30 minutes of time, so we're gonna have the Q&A go longer and bring some of the other filmmakers that were here earlier and bring them back. Um, but not, not too early.

40:23 The, the, the crowd before this, we're gonna bring them up here And we're gonna allow them to talk some more just to fill the time. And I looked, so I was like, 30 extra minutes, huh? I wonder where the fuck those extra 30 minutes came from. Gee, I fucking wonder. This is my fucking show. They took in my fucking show as an hour, cut it down to 30 minutes, and then add an extra 30 minutes of Q&A. To an already 1-hour, they made it an hour and a half Q&A. Why though? Because they're fucking incompetent. That's why. So, uh, we of course get to the awards, and the awards show, I'm, I'm there with— it's just me and my buddy now. Everybody else is like, fuck this, this is bullshit.

41:13 And I'm not getting drunk, I'm driving. So he's getting all fucked up, and these other guys are coming up to me, and I felt like I was in Fresh Point Blank where this guy's like, yo man, you got some blow? I'm like, no, I don't have blow. Go away from me, please. I don't have blow. I don't— do I look like I blow? And he goes, well, yeah. I'm like, well, I don't have blow. Sorry. So this jacket, it's full of hard drives. For hard drives. I have hard drives. You can snort those. You have blow? Yeah, I have it on DVD. I have it on DVD and I watched it once and then I got rid of it, even though I had Ray Liotta and I like him. But that— other than that, the movie sucked. But like Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Anyway, so fucking— I was so fucking livid, but I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna have a good time at the party. As I'm at the party, judges are coming up to me. They go, were you— are you the guy that did the Grounders show? I said, yeah. They're like, oh my God, I love that. And I go, oh, okay. And I already lost all the awards, by the way. And I go, oh, okay, thanks. And they're like, yeah, I, I didn't get to— I— we didn't get to vote for you. We didn't get to see your show until you— what? We watched it today. I'm like, wait, what? I said I submitted it like months ago.

42:35 And they're like, yeah, they never allowed us to see it. Turns out they— this festival only honors people your mind that are part of their festival or friends of theirs. So, so it's all like all the people— that's how it turned out. It was like, it was all like an Ask Us Fest, but they brought in some outsiders and gave them awards as well. One of them was absolutely deserved. Um, they were in competition with us, and I hope they won, and they did, uh, because their, their show was amazing. Uh, they're from New York, actually. And, um, and I congratulated them afterwards, and I was hanging out with the, uh, the main person of that show the whole time. I was like, yeah, your show is fucking awesome, that's great. But yeah, that's, that's, that's what happened. So Nick, what is your grade as far as, uh, anger? Um, well, I mean, you know, when I imagine myself, the person being there behind you, uh, while this is happening, I would then step in and say Play that fucking episode.

43:40 Play it. You know, kind of like in Mulholland Drive when the guy's like, the girl gets in the picture. That'd be me for you, except you're the girl. That's the girl. Uh, it's, uh, yeah, I would have been mad if I was there and it was happening. I'm not currently mad because I think you actually told me this story before, because I remember. Okay, but it's okay. Uh, next time add a gun to the story. All right, I will. It'd be like in They Live where it's like, put the fucking movie on, put the fucking episode on. Well, this is the fight that lasts 20 minutes. It's also like film— film festival Q&As. I've sat through a bunch of them that even ones that I'm not, you know, that I didn't have like friends in, it's like usually they are not necessarily that interesting. Sometimes they can be really fascinating, but like a lot of times it's really boring or like They are not people you want to hear from. Like, right when I, when I said I went to the Comic-Con International Festival, like there was a panel before my friend's movie got played and it was a bunch of documentary filmmakers. And I guess the guy had made like, like an MMA, like something about the MMA community because they were talking about like communities. We came in partway and he starts to like equate MMA, the MMA community with like I guess there's, there's like, uh, like a bird watching community. I guess there's like a documentary about bird watching that got really popular, or a series of YouTube videos or something.

45:05 And I was like, are you really equating the bird watching community and the MMA community? Like, I, I can— I fail to see where there is any connection here. It was just like, okay, like, what, what the fuck are we doing? Like, yep, that's where I got disheartened with the, uh, with the whole process. And everybody's like, oh, you got to take your licks and You know, I'm like, no, I'm not wasting any more of my fucking time, money, or anything for these fucking schlubs. Like, this is a waste of my fucking life and I don't need to be doing this kind of shit, you know? That just sucked. It really sucks. But yeah, that shit sounded personal, dude. It did, didn't it? But it wasn't. They didn't know me and I, I didn't know them. And you know, I'm not faulting all of them. Like, obviously there's some, you incompetent assholes that work there.

45:53 Um, but yeah, I'm like, I'm never doing that shit again. That's just not happening. So yeah, good times. But hey, you gotta know somebody. It's the only way. It's the only way. And even, even if you do, it still doesn't matter. It really doesn't. Uh, because they're just, they're cheap as shit. I'll tell all the horror stories down the line, but Yeah, there's, there's some real fucking horror stories where you're just like, you're like, yeah, it's funny. A long time ago, and then this is— I, I don't really joke about suicide much, but my brother, uh, years ago said that he was at work and his, uh, co-worker said, hey, uh, how's your brother doing? Has he killed himself yet?

46:41 That's, that's the kind of shit that happens to me. So it's like, you know, because my brother always tells So I guess on this episode, what happened to my brother? And he's like, Jesus Christ, really? He's like, yeah, yeah, that happened. And he's all right, he's like, he's fine. Yeah, so anyway, um, I guess we should, uh, cheer up a little bit and watch, uh, watch some, uh, Anthony Michael Hall action. What do you think, Brandon? Yeah, I think so. All right, awesome. All right, we'll do that. And, uh, I guess we'll— well, the store's closed. It's past the— it's past the closing time. Everybody already left. There's that one girl over there that's, you know, she's at the register and I feel bad for her. Maybe we should bring her into the screen. What do you think? Her name is Crystal.

47:29 Sure, let's share the wealth of Anthony Michael Hall. Are her parents here? No, my parents aren't. You know what? No, no, let's send her home. Yeah, good call. Get a permission slip. Yeah, yeah, I forgot. I, I mean, she's 18, but I, you know, yeah, you're right. All right, yeah, yeah, you're not coming. You're not getting there anyway. All right, kids, let's do this. Feature presentation. All right guys, thanks for coming to the viewing room. We're going to be watching Out of Bounds, which is a movie that is kind of stuck on VHS. Um, thankfully I brought my, my Betamax VCR here so we could roll the tape. Uh, Out of Bounds was like Anthony Michael Hall's attempt to break out of being a nerd type Cassian.

48:32 So he went with more like an adult role, and it's got, I guess, some similarities to, um, Nick's last choice of, uh, Vice Squad. But really the only similarity is that it's a little sleazy and there's a dangerous dude chasing him. But he Yeah, let's roll the tape on Out of Bounds. He's stranded in a city he doesn't know. My name is Daryl Cage, and my brother Tommy and his wife Chris picked me up at the airport, and when I woke up, they were dead. Accused of a crime he didn't commit. If you're innocent, you've got nothing to be afraid of. Turn yourself in.

49:14 Hunted by a man he's never met. Anthony Michael Hall. Out of luck, out of time. Out of Bounds, rated R, starts Friday, July 25th at select theaters. So that was Out of Bounds, a movie that I'm shocked that it hasn't got any farther than the VHS, Beta, LaserDisc era. Um, it— I mean, if there's tons of shit movies on DVD and Blu-ray and this one doesn't have one, I Don't really understand why. Uh, it for a while wasn't even on streaming, but it's on Jack's favorite Tubi if you guys want to watch it outside of— um, it's— oh, I do want to say something. I do have to say something.

50:04 Not about Tubi, uh, because fuck that, but it does try and invite— it does have something to do with Fight Squad. It's Pepe Serna who's in this, who's also in Vice Squad. Pepe? I don't even know who you're talking about, but I just laugh at the name. He's the guy with the, the lazy eye that was in The Jerk and stuff. The— he was the other cop, remember? He's the— anyway, fuck the— oh yeah, the other guy. Uh, yeah, I kind of ran into this movie I used to go online and to this website— it doesn't exist anymore, sadly. Uh, it was like Critic Online, uh, VHS cover art. And it was literally like this shitty website that you would have found in probably like 1997 where it was just a bunch of photos of old VHS cover art. And I would like spend hours scrolling through that because there was like hundreds of VHS covers on there, and I discovered a lot of movies that way.

51:12 And I was like, Out of Bounds? What is this? It's like Anthony Michael Hall with a gun. So I had to hunt that down. I think I— the first time I watched it, I found it on YouTube. And yeah, I enjoyed it, and I was like, oh, I better get this on DVD. And then found out that it's never had a DVD release. But I, I don't know, I just enjoy this movie. It's like I said, it's sleazy, but it's not like crazy sleazy. But you get, um, Jeff Kober as the bad guy, and he's like always a great that guy, and he always has like a creepy presence even in things where he has small roles. Like he was in a few episodes of New Girl as their superintendent. And he was like totally down for a threesome with, um, uh, Zooey Deschanel's character and, um, Nick Miller on there.

52:11 He's just creepy as hell all the time. I, I thought he was a pretty good convincing villain as like the drug dealer dude. Uh, the girl who plays Dizzy, I thought she She's pretty solid as well. Um, it's funny how they only know each other from meeting, like talking on a plane for like 2 minutes while they're getting off the plane, and then it's like boom, they're in love. She's played by Jenny Wright, who I really haven't seen her in much of anything other— she's done a fair amount of movies, but The Wildlife is the only other thing I've seen her in.

52:52 What? She was in Near Dark. She was in I, Madman. What else? Oh, I've seen I, Madman. Yeah, yeah, her, her— she was also in Young Guns 2, butt-ass naked on a horse. Oh God, yeah, that's right. How do I forget that? I've only seen the first Young Guns, so I can't really speak about it. Yeah, I only saw the second one like once when it came out. That was it. Yeah, Anthony Michael Hall. I mean, he was in every freaking John Hughes movie basically. Uh, he actually turned down Ferris Bueller to do this movie. That, that was a choice. Yep. Yeah, that was definitely a choice. Yeah. So, uh, I, I've rambled on about this enough. Uh, David, what'd you think of the movie?

53:38 So I have definitely not seen this movie. Um, I can see where there's the comparisons to Vice Squad, both taking place in Los Angeles, not that far apart. I mean, they're only like maybe like 5 years removed from each other. So I can definitely see those similarities. But I also like that the movie seems to show different elements of life. It captures the feeling of the city really well, more as a— just as a city, as the city of Los Angeles. And there's some like good iconic, um, locations that they, they shot in that they're like, not like the most Los Angeles iconic situation, uh, you know, but there's a couple in there you're like, okay, I recognize that, you know, from different things. Or, but I also, I think the, I think the biggest part about this, like, the, the music is really good. Uh, I guess Stuart Copeland did it, which is pretty interesting. Um, I saw that in the beginning, I'm like, well, I guess this music's probably going to be pretty good.

54:39 And then, um, yeah, Anthony Michael Hall, you can definitely tell he's trying to do the serious role, um, and they very much— but he also didn't really know how to play the serious role, um, because like just in the beginning of the movie he's still very like nerdy Anthony Michael Hall, and then like only because he changes his hair color and puts on a— puts on a costume does he feel the need that he can act serious and talk with— and his voice changes too, like it's more more like Anthony Michaels Hall's voice when he's older. Like, like, let's say like, um, what, The Dark Knight or something like that? Like, yeah, that's like the intonation of his voice that he makes is when he puts on like the leather jacket and the dark and dyes his hair. So that, that was an interesting thing because he, he's probably like— I would honestly say he's probably the most inconsistent actor in the entire movie.

55:33 Everybody else is pretty consistent about what they do, um, you know. Uh, the guy playing Gaddis was really great. Um, he did a solid job. Yeah, and he's one of those things, like, I looked at his— looked at it and he just shows up in random things. Like, there was like an episode of Star Trek that he was in, and like, it's just like, man, it's just— he's just one of those guys that you could— you can hire to play a very specific type of role and he knows what he's doing. Um, I think the movie is kind of made up of those kind of character actors as well, just people that just they show up and you're like, oh, I know them from this movie, or I know them from this movie. I mean, like Jerry Levine from like Don't Tell Mom Baby-Sitter's Dead and Toy Soldiers, by the way, is also in this movie for a little bit and like, not great. Like he's okay, but like he's clearly playing a stereotype of like, he's sort of a drug dealer, but he's sort of a junkie at the same time. And I don't know the balance It doesn't make sense.

56:30 Like, he has connections to people who deal in drugs, but he also like seems to be a drug dealer. It's, it's hard to tell. It's hard to tell, but that's okay. Like, I think, I think another thing is, is like the movie loses kind of all of its subplots. Like, you know, you have this whole thing with the lieutenant that's trying to like solve the murder and find Anthony Michael Hall's character and everything like that. And, um, there's like periods of time where he's just disappeared for like 20-plus minutes, and you're like, wait a minute, like, they didn't film one scene where he's like putting some clue together or some connection. Um, and I just like— it was just weird because then when he came back in, you're like, oh, okay, he— I guess he's back in.

57:15 The cops are so bumbling in this, like the beat cops. Like, you know how we said like Vice Squad like showed how dumb Vice Squad cops are? This showed how dumb beat cops are in Los Angeles. Like, that's They literally are like, the things they tell you not to do, they do the movie cop thing. It's like, okay, well, there's a person who's armed and dangerous. The first thing we're gonna do is we're going to draw our weapons. And then like, we're literally not just gonna like, oh, the guy pulled a gun, like shoot him, right? No, no, no, no, no. We're going to shoot every piece of flower, every flower pot for like an entire half block before, even though we can't see the target. And then like, oh, it's a crowded market, let's pull our guns out and start to aim them like where there are at least 20 to 30 other people between me and the suspect, you know. Um, it's like there is— they, they took all their lessons from like Burt the cop in It's a Wonderful Life because he like— him like the one guy who's like slightly dangerous, maybe, you know, like, you know, this, this drunken guy is like, oh, I'm just gonna pull out a gun because he punched me in the face and shoot down a street with crowded, crowded people. So it's— they took all his lessons from him. But, uh, overall, like, it's enjoyable.

58:27 I think, like, it's not— like, it's not bad. There are, like, bad elements, and, like, there's definitely some things with, like, some of the, the camera shots. Like, they— whoever was the DP, like, was like, man, I gotta get some, like, first-person POV shots, because they just put a lot of them in. And, like, a lot of times it's a little shaky, and I don't understand why. Um, like the club scene where they're running away, like, I was like, oh man, this actually is like pretty well set. Like, the, you know, the scene is set really well. And then we go to these like first-person shaky camera, um, scenes that are not like— they don't really give you the sense of that you're in their point of view at all. Like, they're just not really— they don't really connect with the characters. Um, So there was just some of those things that I could pull out that was like, okay, this part isn't great, but like, you know, this, you know, this scene is at least well done.

59:21 Like I say, it's, it's not bad. It's just like, it's not like, it's, it's not like we're like Vice Squad. You're like, oh my God, you know, like Wings Hauser, fucking hell, you know, you know. Um, it's got a little bit of that, but I think, um, I think I enjoyed watching it. And it's cool to see, um, you know, something I hadn't, you know, a type of movie I hadn't seen Anthony Michael Hall, uh, be in. And it's a cool— it's, it's a cool, at least mistaken identity story of like— and, and I think that the first act is probably the strongest act of the entire movie, uh, even though it's like a little— it feels a little slow at times, but at least from a plot standpoint, it made sense. And then the whole mistaken identity and how that led into it, at least that was like engaging enough to make me want to watch the rest of movie. I think if they had stumbled with that a little bit more, it would make the rest of the movie that much, that much worse. But I'm not gonna say like, it's terrible. It's, it's not bad.

1:00:19 It's not good. You know, like, it's one of those things where you got to like this specific type of movie and find the things you appreciate. I appreciate that it's a very— it feels very, it feels very— for a Hollywood movie, a Hollywood production, It feels very, um, grittier than it has any right to be based upon what they say. Yeah, I would, I would say that it's, it's like a forgotten movie because it doesn't have anything really to make it stand out too much, but it's not bad enough to remember. And I feel like there's a fair amount of movies that fall into that. Uh, I was surprised you didn't mention with Jerry Levine, he was in, um, Teen Wolf, Stiles. Stiles, yes. Yeah, I, I think you were thinking of Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead. Like, yeah, I think you were done, man, mixing them up with, uh, Keith Coogan.

1:01:11 Yeah, they do look like him. I am fucked, man. They could be brothers though. Wait, wait, wait, now I gotta look it up because I, I fucked that up. Wow. Yeah, he was in Toy Soldiers too, so. But is— oh, I'm not— Coogan was I am confusing it. Shit, you're right. I just— yeah, they look, they look like twins. Like, even the adult shots of them, they look like they look similar. He did a lot of TV, uh, Jerry Levine did. Um, I always remember him as the, the leader of this weird cult on, um, Boy Meets World that Shawn joins. Oh shit, you know, I just— for some reason I just caught that episode. Like, I just had seen that because I was like So I now— I know exactly what you mean, and now I can piece it together how they look different. Yeah, yeah, I think Keith Coogan might be a little bit shorter, but they do look like they could be brothers.

1:02:10 Uh, so, um, Jack, what did you think? This movie sucks. No, no, no, it doesn't suck, actually. I— okay, so I never saw Out of Bounds, and this— the, the trailer for this was on TV all the time. Like, when it was coming out, they were like, this is gonna be the big event. Anthony Michael Hall is Out of Bounds, right? It's a big deal. And nobody went to the theater, uh, when it happened. Nobody cared, including myself. I was just like, yeah. And plus it was rated R, and around that time I was, I was too young to get into R-rated movies.

1:03:01 So fast forward, it's one of those I just never— it's like, I'll get to it. I gotta say that I'm glad I waited. Because I think if I had watched this when I was younger, I would have thought it was okay at best. The cool thing about this is, man, it is another movie that is— speaking of time machines from earlier, uh, it is a time machine movie where it, it took me and put me into LA in 1985 or '86. That's, that's kind of what I felt when I was watching this, especially obviously when it gets to LA. But, um, the funny thing is, when I started— when we were— when we started watching this, I, for some reason in my brain back then, I thought it was a PG-13 movie. And when they kill the brother and his brother's woman, like you know, they're violently dead. I'm like, wow, wow, this PG-13 movie's going hard. And then I'm like, I, I looked it up later, I'm like, oh, it's R-rated because they dropped the F-word. And yeah, there's a lot of, uh, a lot of bad stuff in this.

1:04:22 But, um, no, I enjoyed the movie quite a bit, quite a lot. Um, uh, I was really, really into seeing, uh, Jeff Coburn in this because I, I really liked him in, um, that, uh, Lou Diamond Phillips, uh, movie. What the hell was it where he's the killer? He wears a mask, but he doesn't have to wear a mask because his face is all fucked up. He reminds me of Brian Thompson quite a bit, where he's got that weird voice, that weird face, and he's menacing just to look at. What? Oh, The First Power. That's what it was called, The First Power, which is a movie I really like, but Uh, then when I saw Glenn Turman in this, I'm like, goddamn, Glenn Turman, what the fuck? Like, Dave, um, are you, are you familiar with Glenn Turman besides Gremlins? I was familiar with him from Gremlins, yeah. Uh, okay, that was— but, um, that was the primary one. There was another movie I, I— when I looked it up, I knew his face. The reason he's older in it, um, the reason I'm mentioning you George Lucas wanted him to play Han Solo.

1:05:38 I'm not kidding. Hmm. He wanted him to play Han Solo, but the studio said no, which is really interesting to hear. I heard this a long time ago. I was like, that's bullshit. But I looked it up, and also Kurt Russell auditioned for Han Solo too. Yeah, yep, yeah, like he— but he wanted Glenn Turman to be Han Solo before they even auditioned people, and they were like, no, not happening. Um, but I think Kurt Russell would have been a fantastic Han Solo as well, but obviously Harrison Ford. I, I would love— I, I hope with this 70th or 50th anniversary coming out that they're, they're re-releasing it, that they put Clint Eastwood in it. Yes, yes, that they completely digitally put him in like, like, um, like Jar Jar Binks style, like, just completely replace him.

1:06:30 No, it's the puppet stage. Those, those screen tests, I've only seen clips of those screen tests. But I would literally watch probably that entire screen test. Mainly also because you realize how bad the actual full original script was. Oh, yeah. That movie got fucking saved by editing. Yep. So fun fact, if you didn't know that Marcia Lucas edited that movie and won an Oscar for it. And that's the only major Oscar that Star Wars has ever won. Yeah, I think George Lucas like forever held it against her. He sure, he sure did. But, but yeah, Anthony Michael Hall, I thought he was serviceable. I mean, he definitely looked very uncomfortable in this movie. And I wanted— when you called my name, I thought you were gonna go Russ, but it's Yeah, right here. Uh, right here, Dad. Um, yeah, I thought it was— I mean, it's, it's not a great movie by any means, but it's— I thought it was a fun, a fun watch.

1:07:34 And I really liked seeing, uh, Susie and the Banshees in this as well. And not only that, like, um, hearing, uh, what is it, that The Smiths, uh, How Soon Is Now in there as well. Was quite, uh, quite interesting. So that's probably why we don't have the DVD. Well, you think How Soon Is Now? Well, that's okay, it could be, but like, I think it's because nobody's really pining for an action movie with Anthony Michael Hall these days, possibly. I think that could be it, and they don't want to play the rights or pay the rights for the music because of the content and who's in it. You know? Yeah, that's true. Probably costs more than release— more to release than they think they would make off of it, right? Right. Just like replace it with a different song. I mean, they did that in the couple releases of License to Drive.

1:08:27 Yeah, but they also got paid in excess and they put in that shitty Pebbles song. They had to do it in Return of the Living Dead too. Yeah, but they had to pay to do that too. And if they don't want to pay any money on it in the first place, they're not gonna, right? They're, they're probably thinking about like return on investment and how much they're gonna get if they actually do release this. So a movie that cost $9 million and only made $5 million, right? With— yeah, right. So yeah, I mean, that all, all these things can be factors, I'm sure. But I, I also have a feeling— sorry, there's a cat in this theater. Um, but I, I have a feeling that, uh, that that could be the case. But maybe somebody will put it out Eventually, yeah, I mean, shit, there are tons of movies that are way worse than this that get released. Vinegar Syndrome released Congo, for fuck's sake. I mean, come on. Yeah, uh, so, okay, so yeah, I'm talking about it's the latest thing in communication.

1:09:28 It's, uh, it's, it's a fun movie and it's definitely a, a fun time capsule for sure. I, I was very, uh, very impressed with the colors of this Betamax that we watched tonight. So there you go. Uh, yeah, when they go into the different clubs and stuff and the, the neon and everything kind of reminds me of Terminator. Yeah, it had a very— yeah, yeah, that's when neon really like kind of came into the fold in the, in the '80s. It was the second half really, and it parlayed into the '90s, but Sadly, no neon slime. No, no, no neon slime. No. But is that the black cat that's in here? Did Nick bring that in for spooky season?

1:10:17 No, no, no, that was the same cat twice. There's a glitch. Yeah, that's my— it's part of that time glitch. It's the one over there pawing at the back rooms. Yeah. Yeah, he's, he's a good cat. That's all right, I'll, I'll, uh, I'll escort him out of the theater. Uh, but by the way, when they're doing those cost estimates for like, you know, how are we gonna make our money, who's gonna buy it, they're like, all right, 5 copies to Stargrove Video. Like, they're, they're doing the math on for Out of Bounds. But right, yeah, anyway, but that, that's all I got for now. All right. Uh, yeah, speaking of Nick, you're up next. What do you think?

1:10:59 Howdy. Uh, so I, I wasn't— I would say I wasn't too into this movie. It wasn't like bad by any means, but it is just like kind of a forgettable movie. And like, um, it was really like a very, uh, movie that would come on on Sunday afternoon in the '90s on cable type of movie, uh, if you know what I mean, if you're old enough to understand what I'm talking about. I So I assume our listeners are probably pretty old, if, if anything out there. But anyway, it was kind of just like pretty forgettable, but like a little bit more than like just average, I guess. Like there's some things in here that I enjoyed. Like you stole my talking point, um, that I was literally thinking of to bring up, which is sleazy LA is in this movie. And I do like sleazy LA and gritty crime movies, um, that is, or any kind of movie that has sleazy LA, and it's pretty cool. And, um, well, like Jack said, it's kind of a time machine, but also, um, for movies— for reasons outside the movie itself, which is, uh, I keep talking about like week after week, it seems that this is the type of movie that they are no longer making at all anymore.

1:12:14 This kind of like, uh, mid-market movie that is an action movie. Nowadays, this type of movie would either be like so terrible that it is like— part of me wants to say like in the Walgreens DVD bin, but they don't even have that anymore. It would be like something that appears on Amazon that you're like, is this a real movie? And then, you know, every screen is shot on a green screen instead of outdoors and like bad CGI throughout just to make like gunshot muzzle flashes and stuff. Uh, but— or they are $300 million tentpole movies starring Jason Statham Um, and like this movie would be like Jason Statham's just trying to visit his brother on the other coast, but he gets the wrong bag. And, uh, then they'd call the movie Baggage.

1:13:05 And kickboxing comes in handy, right? And, uh, and, and Vinnie Jones is one of the toughs. Yeah, now he's got to go back to his old ways, you know? And there would be— that would be especially a part of it is like I feel like they also, strangely, they never make a, uh-oh, this guy's in this in a bad situation type movie anymore. Everything has to be along the lines of, this guy used to have a past of doing this type of thing. Um, I'm— and you could name several movies in that type of genre. Taken, John Wick, Nobody, Nobody 2, uh, John Wick 4, 3, and 2. Uh, of course those are not the names of the movies, right? Because it's John Wick, like Parabellum, which, by the way, my favorite part of the movie, uh, John Wick Chapter 3: Parabellum, is when, um, Winston goes, Parabellum.

1:14:02 But, uh, anyway, back to this movie, which is not John Wick or not John Wick quality, uh, and certainly didn't have a John Wick budget. I think Jack makes a good point that, like, Anthony Michael Hall, uh, firstly, I don't have any sort of attachment to him that, like, I think everyone else on this podcast probably has more of an attachment to him than I do. Um, and also he did seem really uncomfortable is, uh, what Jack said. And, um, that's a really astute observation. Like, I definitely felt like at times I was looking at him like he's not right for this role. And I mean, maybe he's just trying to play uncomfortable, but he really looks uncomfortable to the point where it's like breaking the immersion of the movie at times.

1:14:43 I also felt like the character Diz is this very specific, like, 1980s character that— like, an archetype of 1980s characters that they're like, well, we need her to sound a little like Cyndi Lauper or something, and then she's going to have a name like Diz, which I am reminded of that show, I think it was Out of Control on Nickelodeon, which also had a character kind of like this named Diz. Was it called Out of Control? What's the show, Dave? Help, do you know? Are you old enough to know? I feel like Dave— no, you know. No, wait, uh, was the one Dave Coulier was the host? No one knows what I'm talking about? More— America's Funniest People?

1:15:24 No, fuck no. I heard about that with Jack. I'm like, what the hell are you talking about? I don't even know. Yeah, uh, it was— anyway, um, so at any rate, um, thank That's all I got. It's America's Funniest People. I'm like, look, what else is the end other than Full House? It was— I looked it up, it was literally called Out of Control. And, uh, the character playing Diz was actually named Diz. So in, in that show, now you know. Uh, I remember nothing else, else about that show except there was an episode where Dave Coulier had to go try sushi and he was like, that's disgusting, raw fish. And it's very funny to think that in the 1980s people were just like, sushi, what the fuck? Like, um, at any rate, uh, yeah, so, um, otherwise I feel like, you know, there's a lot of stuff in this movie that doesn't kind of work all the time, and that's fine. It's all right. It's just a very disposable movie. So not coming to DVD, pretty much expected. I mean, I guess it's surprising that no one during the, like, time period where just anything was getting picked up on DVD and thrown into Walmart— uh, well, not Walmart or Walgreens, uh, cheap, cheap DVD bins in the early to mid-2000s— that this one was never thrown on there. It probably really does just come down to movie rights, because like, you think about how many stupid garbage-ass movies you have bought for $2 in

1:16:55 a bargain bin somewhere, right? So I will, I will, I will lean on the, uh, movie music rights licensing fees. Uh, until proven otherwise. But, uh, sorry, Jack, were you saying something I just talked over? Uh, no, I was gonna, uh, there are movies that are way worse that I spent like $40 on, so that's all I gotta say about that. Dance or Die? Yeah. Oh my God, that, that thing went right to eBay. You bought that movie? Unfortunately, that was, that was a waste of my life. That was, that was one, Jack, where it's like You could have watched that one on Tubi and saved your money. Fuck you and fuck Tubi.

1:17:36 Go on, Nick, man. You know how much money— you know how much money Tubi has saved me? Yeah, all you got to do is watch— sell your eyeballs to Tide ads for like a half hour throughout the day. Not just your eyeballs. I'll also say the sound mixes are terrible. Like, my kid— my kids were watching like Uh, Hook. And I was like— and I heard something like, this is mixed like terribly. Like, you can barely hear certain scenes. And I'm just like, what did they— what did they rip this straight from, a 10-year VHS? Like a book? I was like, what the hell is happening? Yeah, why can't I hear Julia Roberts talking right now? I knew I liked you, Dave. I knew it. But like, um, yeah, Dance or Die, I sold for twice what I paid for it, so I'm good. Uh, go on then. Yeah, can't do that with Tubi.

1:18:26 You can only go to the store now that you've been programmed to buy Tide, and then you got to go to and ask your doctor about a GLP-1 medication so that you could lose your fat ass and whatever else the fuck they're selling on Tubi. Listen, it hurts. I'm a person who hasn't watched ads for so many years, so many years, and now that I have to watch them on occasion, I, I'm losing my fucking mind. Like, use Brave browser, use an ad blocker online, please, but like And, and I wonder if the ad blockers work on Tubi. Maybe I should watch it on my computer if I'm gonna watch Tubi, for God's sake. But you know what I probably would do is just not watch Tubi. Sorry, Tubi boys, but, uh, I can't do it.

1:19:09 I watched one movie, and I think I might have told you this last week or whatever, but I watched Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance because it is only streaming on Tubi that I found, right? And like every 10 to 15 minutes I had to mute the TV and look away, like, because the, the ads— first off, you're watching like a dark Ghost Rider movie and then it goes to fucking like bright ad for laundry detergent and it's screaming at you. It is screaming at you to buy. Yes. Oh my God. Anyway, how much, how much did Nick like Out of Bounds? He talked about 2 Oh man. Yeah, so I hope that no movie I ever want to watch is only screaming, streaming on, uh, fucking screaming at people, screaming on TV, because the sound mix is also bad. It's screaming on TV, like it's literally screaming. Like it's like, save me, it's Louise!

1:20:05 It's the director. Yeah, the director and the sound mixer are watching it screaming, going No, what did they do to our movie? It's like, it's like that scene in Cabin in the Woods, like, but the— but it's the directors of all these movies on Tubi just trapped in like a cube that are moving around this universe. Oh man, sorry. Tubi, Tubi is the— and, and you know what's weird is that Tubi is also not the worst streaming service out there or anything. No, it's not, it's not. It is not. It could be watching MUBI or Ogla or whatever the fuck else is something that they just made up this past week. And anyway, uh, Out of Bounds. So Out of Bounds was a movie I watched, um, that is also available on Amazon Prime, another fucking streaming service, uh, if you need to buy it or purchase it for some reason. It is on YouTube if you have YouTube Premium.

1:21:03 You don't have to watch it, but watch the fucking Tide ads. I get a lot of tie-dyes. Yeah, I don't know, maybe they think your clothes stink. I don't know, they're like, this guy's in his 40s, he must do laundry. The only thing I'll add about like really bad ads is if you watch any of the like free— the free channels that are like, like LG's like free channels and stuff, you get these weird AI, um, like services that you're like, that's not a real thing, that, that doesn't exist. Like, and it's a name you've never heard of, like you know, think progress.ai or something like that, or, you know, yeah, and it's like supposed to re-engineer your life. Or you get like the worst like political ads, like, and I don't mean like negative political ads, I just mean like annoying political ads where it's like really poorly made by some like weird super PAC that doesn't know how to make, uh, political commercials and they're just terrible. It's only because we put on like, we literally put on like Antiques Road Trip before while we're like getting ready for bed because it's like this means nothing and I don't care. Like, you know, I just want to see British people buy fucking antiques and that's— that, that, that calms me down. But then there's like, oh, the big progress.ai is gonna change your fucking life, you know? And I can't stand it. Anyway, back to the Out of Bounds discussion about the VHS tape from Out of Bounds that was screened at Star Grove Video. So at any rate Not a terrible movie. I watched it with my eyes. Uh, it was

1:22:34 not— I will probably never watch it again. It was fine. The end. All right. As opposed to Tide ads. Tide ads. Do you feel sad all the time? Is it hard for you to get out of bed? You need to talk to your doctor about tubules. Oh man. So Michael, let's wrap it up. Out of Bounds from 1986.

1:23:18 Okay, directed by Richard Tuggle, and if you don't know that name, then I I guess that makes perfect sense. His only other movie was the 1984 Clint Eastwood Tightrope, as far as I know. It's a great movie, by the way. Yeah, it was. You know, I'm really happy that somebody mentioned the director because I looked at the name Richard Tuggle and I was like, I'm not even gonna look that up. Some people will tell me about him on the show. Dick Tuggle. Here we are. Yeah, I gotta see that. We take care of that then. Anyway, go on. But yeah, I was, I was late to the party with this one. This was, um, This was the first time watch for me, but I instantly knew what movie it was because anyone who has ever been in a video store with any semblance of regularity would instantly recognize the COVID art to this movie because it was definitely in every video store back then. And you know, it was one of those tapes I must have walked by a thousand times, but I never even bothered to pick it up to read the back of the box, let alone take it home. It just always— I don't know, it always looks so painfully ordinary, even for a bottom-shelf '80s action flick. I mean, I never even came across it randomly on cable, which is saying a lot with the amount of TV I watched as a kid. But, um, yeah, anyway, the guy who made Halloween Kills a lot less cool than it would have been, Anthony Michael Hall, come— coming off his, um, one-two punch of blockbusters, The Breakfast Club and Weird Science, clearly desperately trying to avoid being typecast as that nerdy Brat Pack kid. But still, he— I still feel that he felt terribly miscast here though. I mean, I could understand him wanting to stretch his acting chops with a little something different, but anyway,

1:24:48 he plays the hero who's in over his head along with, uh, Near Dark's Jenny Wright as a sidekick slash love interest in another ordinary man caught in an extraordinary circumstance thriller, which there was definitely no shortage of back then. I mean, this is the type of movie that where someone actually uses the title of the movie in a sentence when speaking to the main character. Like, it's that kind of movie. Like, you're out of bounds. You're really out of bounds. Exactly, you're out of bounds. Anyway, he plays— I think Darryl Cage was his name— farm boy from Iowa looking for the better life in the big city with his brother. Winds up getting his bag switched with 10 keys of heroin at the airport, and of course, you know, hijinks ensue. One thing in particular about this movie that stood out to me was the setting. It is hard for me not to like any movie where the neon-soaked Los Angeles of the 1980s is one of the main characters, especially one that gives us a glimpse of the punk/new wave underbelly of the city at that time. I mean, it's, it's threadbare and it's ordinary, but you know what, I still had a good time with it. I mean, there's hardly a wasted frame in this movie. It hits the ground running and it really doesn't stop until the credits roll. But it does come with some pacing issues. I mean, our hero's a farm boy from a podunk town in Iowa and overnight becomes like Harrison Ford in The Fugitive. That was, that was a transition that like happened far too quickly and just didn't really feel earned to me. Didn't you see him toss a knife?

1:26:21 Uh-oh, that was foreshadowing. Yeah, he brought a knife to a gunfight in one won. Yeah, he did. Uh, but yeah, and, and the plot armor on this kid— oh my God, this is some of the thickest plot armor I've probably ever seen, even for '80s action movie standards. Like, some of the situations he's able to get out of with just pure luck was a little much. Yeah, like, I, I definitely think he was kind of a Mary Sue character in this movie. Exactly. And I mean, this is, you know, it's, it's your typical '80s action flick that follows that blueprint to a I mean, we have our untrustworthy police, our corrupt DEA agents. We even get a random scene of the bad guy killing a pet mouse just to show how bad of a bad guy he is.

1:27:07 We get the, uh, obligatory scene where— which I swear to God is in every one of these movies— where our hero on the run needs to change the clothes and just happens to come across a clothesline where his ideal style and size of clothing are just hanging out to dry in some random backyard, ripe for the picking. We have, um, we have cameos from Susie and the Banshee and Meat Loaf. I was surprised by the Meat Loaf. I didn't even see that. I didn't even know he was in this. I didn't even see that coming. I don't think Meat Loaf knew he was in this. Yeah, another thing that stood out, believe it or not, one of the end credits song by Night Ranger. That was a banger of an end credits song.

1:27:47 Definitely one of the better ones of the '80s. But the more I thought about it, the more it grew on me and the more I actually felt like I wanted to see it again. So I mean, if this ever came out on DVD or Blu-ray, it's, it's definitely one I would probably pick up and add to the collection. Yeah, it's, it's definitely— it's a fun movie. It's not anything— it is, it's fun. Yeah, it doesn't try to be anything more than what it is, you know? Yeah, exactly. Eventually it's probably gonna get a release. Um, it would— yeah, it would have to. You would almost have to think it would. I don't know. I mean, like, we're at the point where this is just gonna one day be like lost media, I think. Like, I, I don't— I think that, like, unless something gets picked up by, like, the really niche, uh, distributors like Vinegar Syndrome or something, I, I don't think we're gonna see things, uh, that, like, once we're there, return to the market somehow unless there's a lot of demand for it. I think that, like, you know, there are many reasons. Like, people don't have as much disposable income these days, and so so much is done through streaming or VOD or whatever. I, I don't think that there could be almost any avenue that this gets to, uh, uh, physical release. Well, just when I think we're like at the end of the road for anything new that could possibly come out, then next thing you know, like Fright Night 2 gets announced and Trick 'r Treat finally came out.

1:29:14 And like, just when you think they're done, and if it's— oh, if it hasn't come out by now, it's not coming out. Then somebody announces something. So I don't know, like I said, I don't know. Those ones are both names too, like that. Yeah, that's true. I've at least heard of, or— well, like, right, uh, what is it? Severin put out, um, The Boys Next Door with, uh, Charlie Sheen, Charlie Sheen, which is a really fucking good movie. I, I really fucking love that movie. But it's— that's one of those movies that was stuck on VHS for years and years and years and years, and then they finally released it on Blu-ray. I think it was like 20 I want to say 2018, maybe somewhere around there. Yeah. And I, I was blown away. I'm like, they're actually releasing The Boys Next Door? Like, like, who cares about this movie except for my stupid ass? But I mean, a lot of time it— a lot of times it just goes down to elements. Like, they just can't find the elements to do right, you know, what they need to do. Yep, that could be the case for this too. Who fucking knows what this— it's, it's, it's one of those oddball movies that Yeah, they, they really did push the shit out of this movie back then.

1:30:19 I remember it because it was all over TV, and then I thought it was like gonna be a big hit because, you know, you're a young kid, you don't know any better. And then obviously it wasn't. Uh, nobody talked about it until Brandon, uh, chose it for— hey, if it wasn't for that long-gone website I would have never found out about this movie. Yeah, it's, it's one that I've always sat on. Like, I just, I have the VHS rip, I would say, and I just, I don't know, there are times where I get in an '80s mood and I'm like, you know what, let's, let's go to the '80s, watch a shitty '80s movie.

1:31:03 And whenever I saw this and I saw Anthony Michael Hall in the COVID I'm just— I got— no, I just can't. I can't do it. I don't know what it is. And I think that's what, what the downfall of this movie was, was him being the star of the movie. Well, I mean, yeah, if it's— if this were Patrick Dempsey, the movie probably— but even though he was in that movie Run, wasn't it? Wasn't that what it was called? Yeah, that was the same type of shit, and that was a failure too. So I'm probably wrong about that, uh, that thing. But can you see Anthony Michael Hall playing Ferris Bueller? No, no, no. Was he the lead in Ferris Bueller? He gave up, or was he Cameron? No, he was going to be Ferris Bueller.

1:31:49 Ferris. Yeah, yeah. And he also gave up, uh, playing Ducky in Pretty in Pink. Yeah, like, so, and that's where like John Hughes like lost his shit. Like he did— he obviously— John Hughes did Ferris Bueller and a few other great movies, but his loss of Molly Ringwald from Some Kind of Wonderful and all that, that was the, you know, start of the decline. And Anthony Michael Hall went on to play in A Gnome Named Norm. Yeah, which we're going to be screening in a few— no, I'm good. I have to— you know what, I guarantee Vinegar Syndrome will put that out before Out of Bounds. I would— yeah, I would not be the least bit surprised. Yeah, you know, I think too also, like, and I know he was real famous in the '80s and stuff, and it's not exactly the same, but like Anthony Michael Hall kind of has this, like, what Jack once called— like, when long ago when we talked about a movie with, uh, Caleb Landry Jones in it, and Jack said he just looked so fucking diseased.

1:32:52 Like he had like some sort of ginger-based disease that was like— oh my God, yes. Yeah, and it's nowhere near as— he's nowhere near as odd looking as him, but he does have that kind of like really just like weak person aura that he kind of gives off. And I, I think that like one— like, so like when you talk about like, um, Ferris Bueller, it's like you know, um, I don't think there's any way he could have possibly carried that because he just seems like a dude who you could just like push once and he'd go like flying, like through a wall, down the stairs and shit. And like, not that like Ferris Bueller gets into fights, I'm just saying like he seems very like could be uncool very easily. He could get out of a fight, Ferris Bueller, you know what I mean? Like he'd figure out a way to work, work his way to either talk out of it or something, but not Anthony Michael Hall. No, Anthony Michael Hall will be like, oh, um, I'm sorry, sir. I would say that Matthew Broderick is Bugs Bunny as Ferris Bueller, and Anthony Michael Hall would be Elmer Fudd as Ferris Bueller. Yeah, okay, there you go. Pretty much it. Because funny part is, I— no, you got it. No, no, you're good. I— well, the funny thing is, like, you're talk— you all are talking about, like, you know, the Brat Pack and everything like that, like I've watched those movies, but I don't have like a strong connection with them, probably just because I was like, my— it just missed, you know, it's just after me, you know, I wasn't of age to really see them. And like, for me, Anthony Michael Hall is like Bill Gates

1:34:25 in Pirates of Silicon Valley. That's my, that's my connection with Anthony Michael Hall. Like, wow, it's just that it's a weird era. I know that's like '99. That's a little later. But like, I remember significantly like seeing that movie. I was like, this guy's great. What else is he in? I mean, he, he was fantastic in the early Hughes movies. Uh, he's not a— he's not a terrible actor for me, but I, I honestly, uh, Mike— Michael, did you say you hated him in Halloween Kills? Uh, yeah, he's what I, I wouldn't say ruined the movie because I still enjoy it, but I think it would have been a lot, a lot better if his character wasn't there at all. Like that whole Evil Dies Tonight and, uh, No, he should have been played by Busta Rhymes.

1:35:08 Every time I'm reminded that movie exists, every time you mention that, an angel loses its wings. Yeah, exactly. Um, you know, I don't know, I, I liked Anthony Michael Hall in, uh, Halloween Kills, but like only in the opening scene. When he's like giving a speech on in the bar, he felt like a real character and something like there. But then eventually it just— he became— I can't— I mean, I can't really blame him that much. It's just that if you notice, for some reason his lines, and his lines in particular in that movie, were just so terribly written.

1:35:50 Yeah, yeah, like people don't talk like that. No, it is because the, uh, movie sucks. And of course that's what happens when it starts. Could it be that the movie is shit? Yeah, one of these days I'll admit that to myself. I'll get my shit detector out and find out. Um, but you know, uh, Jenny Wright though, I think she, she's a standout in this movie. God, she's so cute. Oh my God, yeah, very, very likable. Yeah, she's so cute. She reminded me of, uh, what's her name in, uh, Vamp. Um, what is it, uh, Dee Dee Flanker? Yeah, she reminded me a lot of that character in that movie. Um, but does Jenny Wright even act anymore?

1:36:37 I don't know, I don't think so. I thought she was dead. Um, I think there was a rumor going around that she was dead for a while, um, but it was false obviously. But, um, nothing listed on her thing since, uh, 2007, so yeah, she She— and then that was like a short, and then she didn't do anything since like the '90s, which was like a couple episodes of like a— yeah, show. Yeah, I guess she was also dating Nick— Nick— Nicolas Cage at the time of the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because if you notice that one scene where she's going down the steps, you see it spray painted on the wall. Nick and Jenny. Nick and Jenny. Yeah, yeah. Goddamn it. But, um, Who was it?

1:37:22 There was somebody else that was in this too. Um, and every time I see him, I think, um, what the hell was that? I, I think of, uh, 2 things. I think of the wrong kid died, and then I also think of, um, uh, oh my God, 3 Times. Then he was in The Ref. He was the chief where he'd like talk about the dead. Raymond Berry. Raymond Berry. Yeah, yeah, he was Yeah, he was also in, um, he was a big role in, uh, Justified, which is a great fucking show. Yeah, he's one of those guys that was in a ton of shit. Yeah, yeah, he's a ton of fucking stuff. But yeah, Pepe, goddamn it.

1:38:04 He's also like, he's in, he's in Fallen Allies too. Um, who, Pepe? He's the captain. No, no, yeah, he's the captain that like pisses off, uh, Robert Duvall. I'm gonna bring up Pepe on IMDb, hang on a second. But here you go, filmography. This is where you've seen Pepe: The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai, The Jerk, Scarface, and The Rookie. Those are the 4 movies that he's known for. The guy was in a shit ton of movies. He was in Scarface? He was in Scarface, yeah. He— wow, he played, uh, Tony Montana. But no, I'm just kidding, he played Angel. He played Angel in that, it says. Um, he was Reno Nevada in The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai. But I always remember he's the one that's messing with Steve Martin when he's working at the gas station in The Jerk. And he's like, yeah, how about you go get this for me too, for free? And it's like, yeah, sure.

1:39:02 And he hooks up the car and then he pulls the church away. That's— that's— anyway, that's Pepe. I just gave Pepe Serna more time than anybody else talking about movies. But hey, everybody deserves their credit. I like Pepe Serna. He's He's got that, uh, weird face. But I don't know, I, I— but I, I did enjoy the movie for— yeah, I did. Yeah, it's not— I, I think, Brandon, thank you for choosing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot more movies that I wanted to choose, but I'm like, you know, not a lot of people know about this movie, so yeah, give it some attention. Why not? And who knows, people may people here watching, or people may hear this recording and go, you know what, I'm gonna check it out. And then eventually it could— I'm not saying we're gonna be the cause of it, but you know, you never know. The right person can listen to this. Yeah, yeah, they get that release because then it gets that release because— yeah, and then we won't get the credit. So that's usually how it is. It happens. We're gonna get some angry comments about our Tubi comments, aren't we? Oh, probably. Yeah, that's fine. That's okay.

1:40:20 I'm willing to take, take those licks. That's fine. What, what I want for a Tubi-like service is I want someone to buy like the rights to all of these movies like Tubi or Pluto or anybody's done, right? But I just want it to be like some multi-billionaire who's like, I just want to show them like in a decent quality. So they just make decent quality. No, like, these, these are free. Here you go. There will be no ads forever. Like, if I had, you know, that thing, if you had unlimited money, that's what I would do. I'd buy old, like, old movies and like, and anything that's like, the rights are like dirt cheap, and you can just put them out there for people to watch. Because like, that's the biggest thing that pisses me off is like, either it's bad distribution is how you have to watch it on, on fucking Tubi. Or like you're, you're, you know, digging up a DVD copy maybe, or in this case a VHS Betamax copy. Um, you just, you have no choice for certain things. And it's the same way with like international distribution of like TV.

1:41:18 Like you still can't see things in this country that you want to see. It's, it's like, what, what, we can see everything in like a second, send, you know, send how many, how much data across the world, and we still can't figure out fucking international movie rights. It's impossible. Not the Tooth Vinegar Syndrome's dick, but like they had a streaming service that failed. Yeah, whatever happened to that? Exploitation TV, right? Yeah, isn't that what it was called? Yeah, yeah, they tried it, but I, I guess it's— they just couldn't get an app that worked right or something, some shit. They were— no, they wanted us— they wanted all of us to pay $50 for Blu-rays instead. Exactly. And then we did. Exactly. We still do. We're fucking stupid.

1:42:02 Yep. Yeah, but it's— I don't know who's dumber, you guys or me buying, um, Out of Bounds on Betamax. It's always going to be you buying Out of Bounds on Betamax. It's a good thing. Like, I, I love that. That's why we got this. We got the start of the video too. We got discs, have all this extra shit. This cool— it's like, yeah, it's the movie, of course, but I love all the extras. I love watching the documentaries and, yeah, the commentaries and everything. It's just so much more interactive to get that much more out of the movie that you love. So that's the stuff I love.

1:42:44 Anyway, well, Jack, I had a question. I have an answer. Well, so I looked up the writer of this movie. It's Tony Caden, and he wrote a movie called Slip Extreme that starred Mark Hamill, and it was directed by Steven Lisberger, who, who, uh, directed Tron. So I'm, I'm curious, have you seen that movie? I have it on Blu-ray. Of course I don't have it on Blu-ray. I, I kind of want to see this movie. It looks terrible, terrible, absolutely terrible. And I— and, and Bill Paxton's in it. What the fuck? Jesus, Jesus is in the movie too.

1:43:25 It's called Slipstream. It's, uh, yeah, you had me at the past. Sci-fi dark comedy adventure. Yeah, near future where Earth has been devastated by man's pollution and giant winds rule the planet. Bounty hunter Matt kidnaps a murderer out of the hands of 2 police officers, planning to get the bounty himself. Man, it's got Kitty Aldridge in it. Now I have to see if it's on physical media. I don't like— Jesus Christ, was that— was that before or after The Guyver for Mark Hamill? I just watched The Guyver for the first time. When did that come out? I don't know when that came out. Um, it's hard to say. Well, no, The Guyver came out in like '91, I want to say. Oh, okay, this is '89, so— oh, okay, so it was before. Okay, poor Mark Hamill. He's doing better now. The genre of that movie there, uh, the, uh, dystopian sci-fi dark comedy adventures— actually, that's just my life currently in 2026.

1:44:27 So, you know, I think that's the same, um, that's the same genre for MacGyver. So he really didn't change his name. Not that different. Yeah. Ah, goddamn it. Well, I guess, I guess we're done talking about Out of Bounds, Brandon. Is there anything else you want to, uh, put a button on, or you good? No, I think I'm good. Can I make a really obscure joke that I don't care if anyone gets it? Of course. I can't wait to see the British remake of this movie called Into Touch. Michael, what is your— fuck you. I knew you guys weren't gonna get it. Dave, is Dave here?

1:45:10 I did, I did, I did. Uh, Michael, uh, you are picking next week's feature. I am. Do you know what that feature is going to be? I do. Next week we're going to be watching the 1992 semi-dark comedy with John Ritter and Pam Dawber called Stay Tuned. So stay tuned for that. Awesome. That's been on my list, so I'm happy. You forgot to mention Eugene Levy. Not a huge fan. No. Oh, you're— no. Ah, I know who you're a big fan of. Who's that? Ed Rooney.

1:45:51 Oh Christ. Yeah, Jeffrey Jones, whatever. Oh yeah, well, I was gonna say, we know what happened. We know what happened. So wait, is he still alive? Yeah, he's still— is he really alive? Yeah, they even came. Yeah, I think he's out of jail now, right? Yeah, yeah, they— dude, he was in that movie Heartbreakers. I remember going to see that, the one with Jennifer Love Hewitt, Ray Liotta, and Sigourney Weaver and shit. And they were like, you know, Gene Hackman obviously, but then they were like— I saw the cast list, I said, oh, Jeffrey Jones is in it. He's in one scene, no line, and he just like picks up their bags and walks the bags off the scene. That's it.

1:46:34 They cut all his scenes out. I like— I could— I wonder why that happened. Um, so yeah, but no, it's, uh, I, I, uh, that'll be a fun, fun movie to, uh, watch again. Peter Hines directed that. Yes, he did, which is— yeah, it's weird for him. Yeah, yeah, he was, uh, he, he, um, he directed Running Scared, right? Billy Crystal. And yes, yep, yeah, that's one of— yeah, that's one of my favorites. Yeah, I love that movie. Yeah, he— yeah, he's kind of all over the place with his, uh— he is. He— yeah, he has a very eclectic filmography. Yeah, yeah, yep. All right, cool. So that's gonna be fun.

1:47:16 All right, well, I guess we're gonna Jack Tripper out Oh, goddamn it, I had to make a joke worse than Dave did. Hey, there's one guy out there thought that was funny, and that was me, and that was you, and that's, and that's all that matters, Dave. That's all that matters. Yeah. Can't laugh at me if I'm laughing with you. Oh shit, did we leave that? We must have left the cashier in the store. Oh well.